tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post4554130399660099987..comments2024-03-28T09:33:26.444+00:00Comments on No Rock And Roll Fun: Thirty years onSimon Hayes Budgenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07084524317888577404noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post-71391472645676936692007-08-17T15:35:00.000+00:002007-08-17T15:35:00.000+00:00Actually, Tom, you don't have to rent me, I'm more...Actually, Tom, you don't have to rent me, I'm more than happy to push for Elvis to be downgraded in the pantheon.<BR/><BR/>It's true the young Beatles listened to Elvis - but they also listened to Chuck Berry and Little Richard, too, and the Beatles started out life as a skiffle act - I'd suggest that Lonnie Donegan was probably more important in their gestation than Presley was.<BR/><BR/>Admittedly, Elvis proved a comforting way to repackage black music for a white audience - but that's all he was, a friendly face on a (then) difficult product. He was skilled, but not gifted. His fame and fortune rely on being a middleman.Simon Hayes Budgenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07084524317888577404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post-26824186283678991282007-08-17T10:54:00.000+00:002007-08-17T10:54:00.000+00:00"His impact was mainly in marketing"Simon, you're ..."His impact was mainly in marketing"<BR/>Simon, you're sounding ever more the rent-an-iconoclast with that comment. What about the influence a white guy playing black music had in Britain? To the likes of messrs lennon, mccartney, jagger et al, who took that sound back to the states and cleaned up after Elvis joined the army?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12704392726800891529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post-73595882822134038742007-08-16T20:26:00.000+00:002007-08-16T20:26:00.000+00:00MC - I agree that his appearance would have made a...MC - I agree that his appearance would have made an impact, but all he represented was a way of selling white America black music. His impact was mainly in the marketing.<BR/><BR/>Here's a thing, though: Elvis did his comeback special at roughly the same age that Jarvis Cocker had his first number one. Makes you think, eh?<BR/><BR/>Anon #2: Elvis was a mess when he died. Indeed, it's what killed him. It's nice to think that maybe he'd have wised up, dropped a few pounds, sacked the hangers on, cleaned himself up and gone back to the start - Elton John tried this, on a somewhat smaller scale. I don't think it's very likely though.Simon Hayes Budgenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07084524317888577404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post-86132555169702668772007-08-16T16:27:00.000+00:002007-08-16T16:27:00.000+00:00"Moz doesn't have the affability to carry that kin..."Moz doesn't have the affability to carry that kind of gig; Doherty doesn't have the personality, the talent or the setlist; Jarvis doesn't have the confidence and Joe would be too full-on and self-conscious."<BR/><BR/><BR/>and what are you basing that on? your opinion? right. jog on mate. know them all well do you? i doubt you even know their backcats.<BR/><BR/>i see what you're saying but i really don't agree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post-25224674406172117132007-08-16T16:16:00.000+00:002007-08-16T16:16:00.000+00:00I'm no Elvis fan, but I disagree that had he lived...I'm no Elvis fan, but I disagree that had he lived he'd be an embarrasment like Cliff Richard. Don't forget it was his Manager, Tom Parker, who forced Elvis onto the cheesy movie roundabout and the glitzy vegas showcase circuit.<BR/><BR/>Parker died in 1997, but I'm pretty sure Elvis would have seen the light eventually and ditched him way earlier, leaving him to maybe be taken on by a Manager who understood his potential for the Rock market. <BR/><BR/>Had he lived today he could well be seen as an elder statesman of sorts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post-80629547657739765932007-08-16T15:09:00.000+00:002007-08-16T15:09:00.000+00:00Being way more of an Elvis fan than any of the oth...Being way more of an Elvis fan than any of the others is not an absolute measurement. I'm not much of an Elvis fan, but I can see that years of image misuse have led to the cornball image he has. Some of his records have been some of the best rock & roll ever made. It's telling that Moz fashions himself with quiff and fancy jacket. He'll be playing Las Vegas next.<BR/><BR/>As for the names you mention, Moz doesn't have the affability to carry that kind of gig; Doherty doesn't have the personality, the talent or the setlist; Jarvis doesn't have the confidence and Joe would be too full-on and self-conscious. So my assertion stands. And actually, I suspect some of those mentioned would agree with me.M.C. Glammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00666737142890454949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post-71614418975084577922007-08-16T13:31:00.000+00:002007-08-16T13:31:00.000+00:00your comment is wack. you're obviously way more of...your comment is wack. you're obviously way more of an elvis fan than a jagger, macca, maddy or doherty one. i think moz, doherty, jarvis or strummer 9were he still with us) could do something just as personable as the '68 comeback special elvis did. but then, i'm more of a fan of them than i am of him. so i would say that wouldnt i?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930103.post-80249601519677685302007-08-16T11:14:00.000+00:002007-08-16T11:14:00.000+00:00Can we who weren't there at the time really unders...Can we who weren't there at the time really understand the impact and significance? He was a white guy playing black music. In 50s USA. Respect is probably very due, but I wasn't there so I dunno.<BR/><BR/>I do know I find a lot of over 40s musos embarrssing and more than a few under-40s, too - McCartney, Jagger, Burrell, Ciccone, Sting, Doherty...none of them could give as relaxed and personable a performance as the '68 comeback special. If I had to choose a king I reckon I'd want somebody like that rather than some bloody credible-as-all-cred indie miseryguts like Morrissey or somesuch.<BR/><BR/>Uh huh huh.M.C. Glammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00666737142890454949noreply@blogger.com